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Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:07 am
by gamiller
JFR wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:24 pm
philly4life wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:55 pm
Trying to figure out how to get the "3 pillow" ending, what are the key steps in the cab/apartment that lead to it?
Glad you are enjoying the game.
That particular ending requires getting both girls "interested." It is pretty simple to get one or the other but tricky to do both.
There are key steps on this path in the Strip Club, the Taxi and Home.
In the club, make sure you get through the private dance with pants unzipped. You do that when Natalie comes in and calms Azumi down. Do not get Candy so worked up that she has sex with Brad as she will zip him back up afterward. When Azumi comes back in, concentrate on pushing her points up. She is interested if Brad shows her that he can resist/detect her influence.
In the Taxi, don't be too grabby too soon. Talk to the girls first. When they notice Brad is unzipped, move to zip back up then go all in. Let Azumi move things along at first. You have to reach the point where Natalie gives Brad a very "special kiss" to reach the same sort of thing later in the apartment. This "kiss" is an achievement by itself. You won't get one later if you don't get it here.
Just FYI, my scores for the girls when arriving in the front hallway of Brad's apartment on this part were N=26 and A=29 with Reputation points at 11. This is just a ballpark. The scores could be a few higher or lower and still work.
At the apartment, keep earning points with both girls. Don't fall for Azumi's tricks - she will try more than once. At breakfast, be interested, not creepy. Take the "You still love each other" path. If you have enough points, they will go to the bathroom. Wait. Again, if points are high enough, they will dance for Brad. From there, keep going for the long-term choices. Hold off at every opportunity.
I must be really dense but no matter what I do I can not get near those point totals and at the apartment after breakfast they leave and my point totals are only 11 and 13
how do you get higher
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:02 am
by JFR
gamiller wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:07 am
I must be really dense but no matter what I do I can not get near those point totals and at the apartment after breakfast they leave and my point totals are only 11 and 13
how do you get higher
There are a couple of ways.
First, you
can start directly at the sofa in the Strip Club but that will limit your possible points. It is still possible to succeed on this path but there are other ways. If you start at the Bar instead, you have the chance to interact with Candy and build your Reputation points. Rep points are scores that affect everyone. You can see those by noticing the scores for the girls you have not yet met. If you maximized Rep points at the Office in the morning, you will be at 3 - with Emily at anything between 3 and 10, which doesn't really matter here, and the score for characters you haven't met at 3. If you go straight to the sofa, that is where you start. By going first to the Bar you can get that up to 6, which affects everyone including Azumi and Natalie.
Any time the game panel picture is surrounded by a red border, it means there is at least one (or more) hidden hot-spot. Look for alternatives to the action choices shown at the bottom. Some will offer "free" points. An example is when Natalie first comes into the private dance room, Azumi turns to her in a panic. On some (not all) paths, you can admire her butt and earn an extra Azumi point. There are a number of these "free point" chances throughout the game.
The girls react well when you admire them or show interest. In the office, you get Emily points when you admire her legs, notice her breasts under the tight blouse and so on. The same goes for Azumi and Natalie. In addition, Azumi reacts with interest when you notice her abilities. If you tell her you were faking when you passed out or ask her how she is "doing that," you will get some points. She also is interested if you comment on her relationship with Nat. Groping her when she helps you out to the cab will earn 2 points. The same with Natalie. Tell her you want something more to happen and you'll earn points with her. Give her a hug when she is on your lap and about to go back out to dance, leaving you with Candy, for another one.
Basically, treat the girls like people you like and not hot bodies you want to score with and they will react well. That helps build points. Help them when problems arise and you will earn more points.
A good average rule of thumb would have your scores after Azumi's private dance but before you fake falling over at N=5 A=6. When leaving the club for the Taxi, a good start would be N=9 or 10 and A=14 or 15. Keep earning points during the cab ride but beware. In that scene, not every "higher" point option is necessarily the "best" path. In some cases, paths that cause one or the other of the girls' points to go down might be a better way to go.
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:51 am
by gamehelp
Hi JFR --
I'll do just what you've suggested in the next few hours . . .
Thanks again
!!
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:36 pm
by Birdman
Is the couch scene in Brad's apartment still inaccesible?
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:19 pm
by Crane
Birdman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:36 pm
Is the couch scene in Brad's apartment still inaccesible?
No, it i very accessible. In two different paths.
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:48 pm
by JFR
Birdman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:36 pm
Is the couch scene in Brad's apartment still inaccesible?
To the best of my knowledge, all major program bugs have been resolved with v.1.7.3 and all paths are available. You might still run across the occasional misspelling or other minor bug here and there but nothing that will interfere with completing the episode.
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:55 am
by azzclown
Seems like there are options missing in highlighted scenes and highlighted scenes that are no longer there
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:02 am
by Wolfschadowe
azzclown wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:55 am
Seems like there are options missing in highlighted scenes and highlighted scenes that are no longer there
Can you be more specific? To my knowledge, everything is there and available.
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:17 am
by gamehelp
Hi JFR --
Thanks again for your consistent, diligent, exraordinarily helpful responses.
Yet another sheepish response from yours truly -- I found Pants - Natalie Cum 2 -- was really simple, which I missed repeatedly because I kept looking for a more complicated solution. So, I apologize for the churn.
What is a little odd still is that the banners don't pop up with new achievements, but the achievements do, indeed, post properly. So, no bug that I can see (other than the one between my ears
), which is why I haven't posted a bug report.
One final question about which I'm simply curious . . .
Lotsa discussion in this forum about the Special Kiss and the Kiss Pass. The Kiss Pass we reference can start either zipped or unzipped (provided when unzipped, Brad's unit gets put away before he cums), Brad ends up cupping Natalie and the girls kiss each other.
Maybe I've missed something obvious (has certainly happened before
), but Nat and Azumi also kiss when jointly giving Brad a HJ, which in my run thrus always ends with Brad cumming. I can't seem to find a workable path following what my notes refer to as KP HJ that ends with anything other than the girls going home after the bathroom check. In other words, everything is pretty normal in the kitchen, at the dinner table and during the conversation after dinner. And, the points look OK (23/28 min). After the bathroom check, however, they always come back with the "it's late, we need to go home now."
No biggee if it's too much to ask, but just curious . . . Q1: is it a useful path? Q2: If it is, guessing my fails at the Bathroom check have something to do with reputation / mood points?
Thanks always for your help !!!
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:24 am
by JFR
gamehelp wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:17 am
What is a little odd still is that the banners don't pop up with new achievements, but the achievements do, indeed, post properly.
You will not see a banner when passing a minor or sub-achievement. That only happens when you clear a full or major achievement. It can be a little confusing. Basically, when you complete the whole thing and have no more to finish on an achievement, then the banners fly.
gamehelp wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:17 am
One final question about which I'm simply curious . . .
Lotsa discussion in this forum about the Special Kiss and the Kiss Pass. The Kiss Pass we reference can start either zipped or unzipped (provided when unzipped, Brad's unit gets put away before he cums), Brad ends up cupping Natalie and the girls kiss each other.
Maybe I've missed something obvious (has certainly happened before
), but Nat and Azumi also kiss when jointly giving Brad a HJ, which in my run thrus always ends with Brad cumming. I can't seem to find a workable path following what my notes refer to as KP HJ that ends with anything other than the girls going home after the bathroom check. In other words, everything is pretty normal in the kitchen, at the dinner table and during the conversation after dinner. And, the points look OK (23/28 min). After the bathroom check, however, they always come back with the "it's late, we need to go home now."
No biggee if it's too much to ask, but just curious . . . Q1: is it a useful path? Q2: If it is, guessing my fails at the Bathroom check have something to do with reputation / mood points?
Thanks always for your help !!!
What has been referred to as Kiss Pass involves N and A kissing. What has been called "Special Kiss" (not the real term) involves N kissing something
other than someone's lips in the Taxi.
There are several things needed to pass the bathroom check. You have some.
The bathroom check requires N=23 A=28 AND Brad is unzipped AND the mood variable is set for Azumi. My guess is you missed that one. It is set during the breakfast conversation. Some choices go one way and others another. When you get to where the girls are talking about Azumi sometimes wanting a guy to join them, I think you are making a wrong choice. Try it again and do something different.
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:21 pm
by p22
Regarding bugs, anything left in seem to be errors on day 1 recaps for some new ep7 paths, and some continuity errors or lack of feedback in day 2 on some new ep7 events in day 1.
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:18 pm
by gamehelp
Hi JFR --
Thanks for your suggestions regarding missing variables. Unfortunately . . .
1. There are lotsa ways to get the the Kiss Pass HJ, with subtle variations along the way that change the points.
2. Have attempted many ways to set the Mood variable -- more than 50 different combinations of points and responses.
3. From evaluating the bew-saves.json file after every save, I can't discern what might trigger it in KP HJ mode.
4. The presence of the Azumi "mood" variable is not consistent among other saves -- out of more than 80 different saves where I've gotten to the end through various different approaches and paths, the mood variable is present in only 10 of those saves.
5. Starting to wonder if even getting past the BR check after the HJ is even possible.
Again, it's not that big of a deal because I've gotten all of the Achievements following other paths. However, it's odd to me that the HJ path seems to be blocked.
And, by way of a general disclaimer
, it could be (again) that I'm missing something right underneath my nose.
Unbelievably great game -- the complexity is awesome -- kudos to Wolf, you and the team!!
Any help to solve this riddle would be dearly appreciated . . .
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:40 pm
by JFR
gamehelp wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:18 pm
Thanks for your suggestions regarding missing variables. Unfortunately . . .
I am afraid I have no way to parse through your laundry list of attempts. You really shouldn't need to search for variables. They are meant to be invisible to players. They get set by following different paths. I shouldn't have even mentioned them. My mistake.
The variable I mentioned is set when the discussion turns to Azumi inviting a guy to join. Nat saying she was ok because she wanted A to be happy - "So what was the problem?" It is set the other way if Brad chooses "You weren't interested because you are a lesbian?"
Last time I mention variables.
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:03 pm
by gamehelp
Hi JFR --
No worries whatsoever -- I've spent tons of time in my career QA'ng software, so my reviews were simply out of curiosity after I'd tried every single combination of the variables from the end of the cab sequence forward, including the ones you mentioned. I'll come up with a better way to communicate what I've done to aid you in helping me to see what I'm missing, starting with the multiple ways to get to the Kiss Pass with a HJ.
FYI, I've tried the selection you mentioned lots and lots of times (generally my default selection) and it doesn't do the trick -- I must be missing something somewhere else -- either in the cab or all the way back in the club.
And, if I don't get there pretty soon, I'll just give up and call it good! What keeps me looking is simple curiosity -- it just doesn't make logical sense to me that one of the HJ sequences wouldn't lead to the dance game instead of "we're tired and need to go home." However, I'm also not remotely certain that it needs to
.
Thanks always for your help -- I'll keep you posted . . .
Re: Episode 7 start - hints and suggestions
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:14 pm
by Wolfschadowe
gamehelp wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:03 pm
I'll come up with a better way to communicate what I've done to aid you in helping me to see what I'm missing
If you PM me a copy of your debug file, starting with a game load when meeting Azumi, I can tell you what you are missing.